There is a very interesting article on the Throckmorton blog on some of the good old American right religious leaders interaction with our good old Ugandan homophobes. It is worth reading, really worth reading. Probably, you should also read the previous post concerning the Lou Engle visit to Uganda. Oh, the topic, same old stuff. Bahati, Lou Engel, and a new beast of horror, one that had crossed my horizon, but had failed to prick my interest. I guess he really should be a person that I should pay more attention to. He is Apostle /Bishop Julius Oyet. They are all good, Pentecostal, charismatic Christians.
No, I am not glossing over the apology which was no apology from Engel. Nor am I really surprised that American right Christians seem to say something else in Africa, and something else when they are called to account in the
. Nor am I offering any new insight in Bahati the man who wants death or imprisonment for gay Ugandans. But, in Julius Oyet is another Martin Ssempa. A malignant, ignorant hatred that, though quieter, is as repulsive and deadly. The descriptions are apt. US
Julius Oyet is anti-gay. Of course, every good Ugandan Christian is by definition anti-gay (sorry, good Ugandan Christians)
And, does he really know exactly what homosexuality is? Well, not realy, concluded Author Jeff Sharlett of the book The Family- an expose of that right wing Christian lobby group.
I rode with Bishop Oyet and Bahati in Bahati’s car to the Sheraton hotel, where I interviewed Oyet for about 45 minutes, recorded. I’ll be writing about what I learned in
in my forthcoming book,…. Kampala
6. Oyet seems to be quite confused about what homosexuality actually is. After he explained that he was engaged in spiritual warfare with homosexuality, I asked whether he believed homosexuals are demonically possessed.
Oyet: “Um, because it is abnormal. It is abnormal sex, you would say yes. You would say yes. Because one drives you to that. Because homosexuals, they would now eat their own feces. They would eat their own waste. That is what they call golden shower where you lick the anus of someone. Isn’t that demonic?”
Remind you of someone? Pastor Doctor Martin ‘eat da poo poo’ Ssempa. The same ignorance, and crowning of the ignorance with a lack of desire to know anything that is positive about the people, human beings that they vilify. [chuckle…. to me, sex is a very positive thing to embrace, not to run away from. Ha ha!]
But, Julius Oyet, this good Christian leader, a Pentecostal Bishop, does come up with some good Christian justification for the death penalty for me in Uganda.
Here’s Oyet on the death penalty: “There is not the death penalty at the end for everybody. There is the death penalty at the end for aggravated homosexuality.”….
His rationale for the death penalty? “If the Bible supports the death penalty which is true and then you call yourself a Christian nation, listen. If I would be killed because I am dying scripturally I can repent to God before I am killed but [if] I am [eliminated] from the Earth that’s ok… if the victim confesses or repents, we can waive it off. Something like that…. In my view, homosexuals should be grateful. But instead they are not. Why I’m saying they should be grateful is because in Ugandan culture if you go and rob someone, if you go and rape a child and people find you, they will kill you.”
If you need any reminders, the death penalty under that bill would be my punishment if I had sex when I am HIV positive, if my partner was disabled in anyway, if I was a repeat offender (uhhhh!, that is why I do have sex with my partner as often as I can. repeat offender, of course!)- and of course; having a below 18 partner, and coercing someone to have sex with me.
I hated this conclusion from the author. I really hated it. But, I cannot say that his observation about the anti-gay activists of
was false. Here it is, in bold Uganda
His rationale for the death penalty? “If the Bible supports the death penalty which is true and then you call yourself a Christian nation, listen. If I would be killed because I am dying scripturally I can repent to God before I am killed but [if] I am [eliminated] from the Earth that’s ok… if the victim confesses or repents, we can waive it off. Something like that…. In my view, homosexuals should be grateful. But instead they are not. Why I’m saying they should be grateful is because in Ugandan culture if you go and rob someone, if you go and rape a child and people find you, they will kill you.” [Here he is echoing a point made to me by many leaders of the anti-gay movement -- that the bill is for the benefit of the gays in that it protects them from mob justice, replacing it with the rule of law and a death penalty they can appeal.]
Truth, it makes me want to throw up.
But my nauseated repulsion cannot deny the fact that my countrymates, and very good, upstanding, Ugandans, morally upright, consider that, me as a gay Ugandan am such a freak that I deserve death. Lynching, and if it can be sanctified legally, well, all the better.
Yeah, and he equated opposition to the anti-homosexuality bill as opposition to God. Really! In truth, with such stellar Christian witness...., any reason for me to express why I would rather not be loved by such solid and good christians?
I never really respected Oyet, on anything. I attended one of his crusades as a teen, but even back then, I knew he was a joker. Guy is really good at coming up with a lousy accent though. I'll give him that, but beyond the pomp and show, there's not much to him. I have a feeling the most research he has done on this whole issue is the Ssempa video.
The man is a raving lunatic...as are many and some are even educated like Henry Orombi...yet, when it comes to their great fear/hate project they´ll refuse to see reality...it´s simply to difficult for them to focus on the good instead of their perceived hebegeebee bad...afterall, that would make them rightsized men again who may just have to keep an eye on their own character (which is loaded with deadly pride). Fools who harm others, or would if they could as they try.
...and of course the trouble with "because the Bible says it's so" is how out-of-date, and culturally/ethically/socially inappropriate so much of it (esp. the OT) is for the modern world.
You can (and many have) just take it apart from this angle, Esp. the much-quoted Leviticus.
Much the same can be said of Islam, or any other religion. Though again, it's often the simplistic, asinine interpretations of its followers that make it so noticeable.
It's hard to follow the logic of right wing lunatics, Gug. First they are anti-gay, then it's all "love the sinner, and hate the sin," and when that fails marketability tests they decide to be pro-gay (saving us from ourselves and feces, apparently.)
Can't Dr. Poo Poo Ssempa see how silly he looks. It's hard not to be anti-feces which is why we have such modern inventions as toilet tissue and douches.
You'd think that the amount of time they devote to researching sex they'd understand you could pick up a douche bottle for next to nothing at the dollar store. And irregardless of whether you are a gay male or a straight female preparing for the cheapest form of birth control, you can douche to avoid feces.
Since these guys don't have science on their side -- remember, the world is only roughly six thousand years old -- its insane to try to make logic out of their thinking. What the Bible says and doesn't and the fact that it, as with all literature, is open to interpretation (evident in the number of competing religious establishments -- I prefer to think of them as the God Lobby), escapes them. They have a 24/7 direct pipeline to god (what us atheists call voices in our heads, usually drug induced), and facts be damned, the ends are more important than the means.
It would be so much silliness if they didn't have so many followers. They are essentially authoritarians (what Jesus referred to as wolves dressed in sheep clothing), with an agenda to sell fear and promote their latest seminar or book. It's they who have a power fetish and they prey on the weak and superstitious.
The fact is that these same characters have funded a lot of violence and oppression in the world, and if they would really wanted to be good they would open their books and stop posing as religious charitable 501(c)(3) corporations.
Ssempa and Bahati are just pawns in the Religious Right's toolbox. I hope that that father in the video I saw the other day wakes up. Killing someone kills a part of your own soul. The first commandment is first because it is such an important point.
I hope good Ugandans come to their senses and resist this oppression.
By the way, foundations such as the American Family Association, a nice enough sounding name on the surface, are tax-exempt. That means that they contribute nothing to social welfare. It also means that there is no regulation over their finances. There is no peer review of their research. How much does it cost to run a megachurch? To print propaganda? No wonder they are going global ... they are a dwindling minority in the U.S.
My intellectual curiosity has me wondering how much gay fetish porn Ssempa is watching.
Nevermind that most gay porn actors are heterosexuals acting out stereotypes of gay fantasy.
Gug, you're famous!
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